They Say/I Say: The Moves That Matter in Academic Writing
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- Author：Gerald Graff
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Reviews
Suat Atan
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A good piece of work to unveil mystery from the task of academic writing。 I must say that after reading it， you will see academic studies that seem boring or incomprehensible to you from a different perspective。 My favorite part of the book is its friendly language and easy readability。 Thanks。
Allison Weiss
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This is a perfect book for anyone and everyone。 High schoolers can get a leg up in their persuasive skills to help them land their college of choice， job of choice， scholarships， and be taken seriously。 Professional adults can use this book to better their communication skills。 It could help them write better proposals， better wage reviews， and help their interpersonal skills when dealing with potential clients。 Personal development is more than self labeling yourself as a “bad ass”。 It’s giving This is a perfect book for anyone and everyone。 High schoolers can get a leg up in their persuasive skills to help them land their college of choice， job of choice， scholarships， and be taken seriously。 Professional adults can use this book to better their communication skills。 It could help them write better proposals， better wage reviews， and help their interpersonal skills when dealing with potential clients。 Personal development is more than self labeling yourself as a “bad ass”。 It’s giving yourself the tools needed to succeed in life。 Some of those tools include persuasion and that is exactly what this book teaches you how to do。 If you’re looking to improve your life， you have to pick this one up！ 。。。more
Nathan Nicolau
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Incredibly valuable stuff not just for students but for any person。
MystaryPi
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Very helpful for academic writing！
Craig Goodwin
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EVERY STUDENT NEEDS THIS BOOK。 PERIOD。
Parker Jennings
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Fantastic book for lovers of English class。 I learned a lot about rhetoric and my public speaking skill has improved because of this book。
Linda Treese
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Excellent resource for every teacher and writer。 Useful， hands on tools， starter phrases。 Applicable especially for high school & college writers。
Zachary Keesey
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Academic writing is a language in-of-itself。 Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves。 In my opinion， "They Say， I Say" does a good job breaking down the academic writing process by providing lots of great examples and exercises for students to try。 If you are an experienced academic writer， it will probably not offer you anything new。 However， if you're new to this style of writing， or need a refresher， this is a good place to start。 Several people have critiqued the text's reliance on t Academic writing is a language in-of-itself。 Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves。 In my opinion， "They Say， I Say" does a good job breaking down the academic writing process by providing lots of great examples and exercises for students to try。 If you are an experienced academic writer， it will probably not offer you anything new。 However， if you're new to this style of writing， or need a refresher， this is a good place to start。 Several people have critiqued the text's reliance on templates because they feel it risks causing student writing to become too stilted。 While there is certainly a chance of that， I generally disagree。 Frames are a common practice when learning any language。 You start with the basics by using templates for simple sentences， and then as you become more comfortable， you expand the complexity of your language。 Templates just make pedagogical sense to me。 。。。more
Vysloczil
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A classic that maybe is better suited for regular consultancy rather than being read in one go。 The level varies a bit。 At times it is speaking to beginners in writing while other sections are clearly only suited for seasoned writers that are looking for marginal gains in their texts。When it comes to general writing style and text coherence， I found Deirdre McCloskey's "Economical Writing" more useful and insightful （with more general big picture advice rather than detailed hints）。 A classic that maybe is better suited for regular consultancy rather than being read in one go。 The level varies a bit。 At times it is speaking to beginners in writing while other sections are clearly only suited for seasoned writers that are looking for marginal gains in their texts。When it comes to general writing style and text coherence， I found Deirdre McCloskey's "Economical Writing" more useful and insightful （with more general big picture advice rather than detailed hints）。 。。。more
Eduardo
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I read this as part of a writing course in my graduate studies。 I found it to be phenomenally helpful in formulating my own writing about other people's writing and experiences。 The authors give many templates for good academic writing and surround those templates with insights about how and when to use them。 They use this template/insight formula to write chapters about several different types of academic writing （e。g。 literary analysis and science writing）。 They also include appendices contain I read this as part of a writing course in my graduate studies。 I found it to be phenomenally helpful in formulating my own writing about other people's writing and experiences。 The authors give many templates for good academic writing and surround those templates with insights about how and when to use them。 They use this template/insight formula to write chapters about several different types of academic writing （e。g。 literary analysis and science writing）。 They also include appendices containing exemplary essays that are referred to at different points in the main text。 Overall， this book lives up to its title。 I look forward to referring to it when writing in the future。 。。。more
Mia
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Interesting resource for creative writers。 Not a top tier recommendation， but with the very short length of the text， why not read it？
Aria Maher
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Read for my English Composition II class at Boyce。 We skipped around a lot， but I'm pretty sure that we read the vast majority of the book （though out of order）。 This book offers helpful and practical tips for better academic writing， and better writing in general， and is enjoyable to read。 I thought that the chapter on internet communication was extremely helpful and useful for prompting more thoughtful discussion online， rather than disjointed arguing or comment wars， and I'm glad that it was Read for my English Composition II class at Boyce。 We skipped around a lot， but I'm pretty sure that we read the vast majority of the book （though out of order）。 This book offers helpful and practical tips for better academic writing， and better writing in general， and is enjoyable to read。 I thought that the chapter on internet communication was extremely helpful and useful for prompting more thoughtful discussion online， rather than disjointed arguing or comment wars， and I'm glad that it was included in this book。 。。。more
Said Abdirahim
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I first used this book in a 200-level course entitled "Writing for Teachers，" a course designed to teach English majors how to teach writing to their future students。From day one， I was very happy with this book。 I have read a lot of complaints about it that say it is too elementary， or that it doesn't offer anything useful to experienced writers; people who make these complaints， however， do not understand the point of this book。Obviously， people have varying skill levels when it comes to writi I first used this book in a 200-level course entitled "Writing for Teachers，" a course designed to teach English majors how to teach writing to their future students。From day one， I was very happy with this book。 I have read a lot of complaints about it that say it is too elementary， or that it doesn't offer anything useful to experienced writers; people who make these complaints， however， do not understand the point of this book。Obviously， people have varying skill levels when it comes to writing--some can just naturally articulate their points and construct publishable essays on their first attempt， while others struggle to get any of their ideas into words。 For those of the former， you may not get much out of this book。 For the latter， however， this book is invaluable。This book does not set out to offer some profound wisdom about persuasive writing that will make all of us experts in a day。 Rather， it takes acaademic writing and it breaks it down to its most basic form--templates--so that it is accessible to everyone。 Through those templates， writers of all skill levels are able to see what "moves" they have to make in their writing， not only to make their writing better but to make those moves more natural， and easier， in the future。As I read it， I found myself nodding along， and saying "oh yeah， I guess that is true！" because as someone who has found writing to be naturally easy， I have never had to stop and consider the steps that writing takes。 This book， however， outlines those steps， makes them very clear and easy to follow， so that people who need the extra time and explanation are able to get it。This isn't to say， though， that this book is useless to those who are advanced or "natural" writers。 Something else I found beautiful about it is that everyone who reads this book will learn SOMETHING or find SOMETHING useful about writing。 For me， it was some of the more advanced templates that help me do things like "agree but disagree，" or "present a counterargument，" without using the same words over and over。 After you've said "I agree but。。。" multiple times in a piece of writing， it helps just to be able to go find one of these templates with other options。 And， speaking of other options， the list of verbs to use in place of "says" is INVALUABLE， and I will forever have a copy next to my computer when I sit down to write。So， whether you're a teacher or a student， no matter what field， I recommend you get a copy of this book。 What Graff and Birkenstein have done is articulated what teachers for decades have been struggling to convey to their students; they have organized a simple tool that will help get all writers--students and teachers--on the same page; and they have written a book that will help writers of all skill-levels and backgrounds finally understand academic writing。 。。。more
Mr。 Armstrong
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Better than I thought it would be， though I just can't get behind the Mad Lipping of writing。 Better than I thought it would be， though I just can't get behind the Mad Lipping of writing。 。。。more
Patricia
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This is one of the quicker textbooks I've used。 Overall it was easy to use and my students enjoyed it。 They're are practical， useful tips throughout。 This is one of the quicker textbooks I've used。 Overall it was easy to use and my students enjoyed it。 They're are practical， useful tips throughout。 。。。more
Kristen Minichello
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The suggestions in this book are most appropriate for an advanced high school writing class or a freshman college class。
dilby
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when I read this in undergrad， I basically wrote it off as unnecessary bc I was smart and good at writing and making arguments。 not proud of that， but it's the way I thought about myself。 if I had read it more closely， I would be a better writer today。 I am reading it as I train to teach composition， but I also have a conference paper to write and an article on the horizon，，， and it's essential。 many valuable lessons。 a reminder to stay humble when I read this in undergrad， I basically wrote it off as unnecessary bc I was smart and good at writing and making arguments。 not proud of that， but it's the way I thought about myself。 if I had read it more closely， I would be a better writer today。 I am reading it as I train to teach composition， but I also have a conference paper to write and an article on the horizon，，， and it's essential。 many valuable lessons。 a reminder to stay humble 。。。more
merih
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So help me God。
SirmaxforD
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A great book about an intriguing writing rhetoric。 But be careful not to sacrifice your creativity。
Mary Roberts
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this is Shit
Soso
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The book is very helpful for undergraduates and especially for ESL students。 It helps to manage transactions between sentences and "argue" in a basic academic style。 It carries easy-to-apply templates and with very clear examples。 I enjoyed reading it。It might fail to provide suggestions for a "fluid" writing。 My suggestion: try to creatively modifying the templates。 If this is a mandatory book for the class， all students will likely to apply those templates。 Put yourself in the shoes of your pr The book is very helpful for undergraduates and especially for ESL students。 It helps to manage transactions between sentences and "argue" in a basic academic style。 It carries easy-to-apply templates and with very clear examples。 I enjoyed reading it。It might fail to provide suggestions for a "fluid" writing。 My suggestion: try to creatively modifying the templates。 If this is a mandatory book for the class， all students will likely to apply those templates。 Put yourself in the shoes of your professor。 。。。more
Touka Medjoubi
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This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers。 To view it， click here。 “They Say， I Say” is a great self explanatory book that helps introduce you and lead you to become a better writer。 It helps lead you to share your ideas in response to another， and how to do that well。
Jason Handforth
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Still the best textbook I kept from college the most useful for sure。 I used the templates in it on so many papers。 I will continue to use it as a resource and recommend it strongly to anyone。
nanto
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Buku ini tentang aspek praktis penulisan akademik。 Pengarang buku ini bahkan menegaskan tidak masalah belajar menulis lewat proses imitatif。 Keduanya menyediakan templet untuk dapat memulai tulisan akademik。 Proses imitatif itu bukan menjadikan pembaca untuk malas。 Namun， kedua pengarang buku ini menunjukan bahwa proses itu membantuk kita memahami detil penting dan menjadi pembaca aktif。 Dua hal itu merupakan modal dasar untuk menjadi penulis yang baik。Berangkat dari hal-hal yang praktis tadi， b Buku ini tentang aspek praktis penulisan akademik。 Pengarang buku ini bahkan menegaskan tidak masalah belajar menulis lewat proses imitatif。 Keduanya menyediakan templet untuk dapat memulai tulisan akademik。 Proses imitatif itu bukan menjadikan pembaca untuk malas。 Namun， kedua pengarang buku ini menunjukan bahwa proses itu membantuk kita memahami detil penting dan menjadi pembaca aktif。 Dua hal itu merupakan modal dasar untuk menjadi penulis yang baik。Berangkat dari hal-hal yang praktis tadi， buku laris ini juga mengingatkan dasar dari menulis adalah dialog。 Alur menjadi penting untuk masuk dalam kancah diskusi。 Mulai dari "they say" atau wacana yang berkembang， lalu pembaca yang bersemangat menjadi penulis harus menentukan posisi akademiknya。 Inilah langkah "I say"。 Menulis yang demikian， bukanlah sebuah laku monolog， karena kita harus bisa menempatkan ceruk gagasan di antara wacana besar。 Ceruk itu bisa diisi bila dibarengi dengan penguasaan teknis penulisan。Kombinasi kejelian atas langkah-langkah teknis dan pemahaman dasar itu menjadi bahasan utama dalam buku ini。 Aplikasi uraian dan bahasan buku ini bisa juga diperluas untuk hal-hal yang tidak melulus soal menulis。 Diskusi di ruang kelas， ruang sosial media， bahkan juga untuk mengedit naskah dan membaca aktif。Usai membaca buku ini， selain tujuan utama untuk menghasilkan karya tulis yang baik， pembaca bisa memetik pemahaman dan keterampilan untuk mengajukan gagasan dalam diskusi di ruang kelas， komentar di sosial media atau ruang publik dengan memperhatikan pendapat yang sudah ada。 Bukan saja soal penulsan akademik， buku ini menguraikan pertukaran pendapat yang elegan di ruang-ruang yang lebih luas。 。。。more
Anthony Camacho
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Anyone who's taking this book and assuming Graff ONLY wants you to use the templates is missing the point。This book isn't for high scholars who write literary criticism but it's aimed towards students who struggle with writing and need a place to begin。 Even though I wasn't the intended audience for this book， I did still find this helpful to keep my writing fresh。 There were a couple chapters that I've never considered and having the templates were a helpful way for me to consider a starting po Anyone who's taking this book and assuming Graff ONLY wants you to use the templates is missing the point。This book isn't for high scholars who write literary criticism but it's aimed towards students who struggle with writing and need a place to begin。 Even though I wasn't the intended audience for this book， I did still find this helpful to keep my writing fresh。 There were a couple chapters that I've never considered and having the templates were a helpful way for me to consider a starting point。 。。。more
Z B
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I read it for my AP Lang class （just a note to remember why I read it if I for some reason need it）
Loraine Lawson
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Great for English teachers or students who want to make smart moves in their writing。
Grace
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I mean， I learned a lot， but I definitely wouldn’t recommend this book for a relaxing and fun read。。。
Libby Powell
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One of the best books on academic writing I have ever read。 It changed my perspective on writing in general and gave me so many helpful tools and tips。 The text is easy to read and engaging。 Highly recommend to anyone。
Kristina
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